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The range of the guitar in TAB! (18 posts)

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  • Profile picture of Guru Guru said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    Had a great question on th elatest blog, http://spytunes.com/music-theory/the-stave-and-the-clef

    Can I have the TAB please?

    Well, that’s what sight reading is all about, how are you going to fret this!

    More on this later in the music theory blog series, attached is an sheet with a few ideas of how you could play this.

    As you can see, there are several options, I’ve listed only a few, the question is: how many can you find?

    The more the better!

    To attempt this is a really, really good sight reading exercise.

    The series aspiring reader do this in more keys than C major…

    the-range-of-the-guitar-tab-ideas.png
  • Profile picture of stan stan said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    still not clear what the lines higher/lower and spaces are from the original stave,

    is there some way to know what the lines are?

    i know the A below and above and all on the stave, but i’ve never seen

    any explanation how to decipher the other lines?

  • Profile picture of stan stan said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    and the more i think about it i can’t explain why the last note on the bottom line is an E and the last space on top is and E,
    i just know it’s so but i can’t explain why, one would think that the same note would be the same on all the same lines not switching around from spaces to lines all the while………………………………

  • Profile picture of Guru Guru said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    Every other time you hit a note in a new octave it will be on a line or in a gap, this is because there are 5 lines, an uneven number.

  • Profile picture of Guru Guru said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    So when you build chords, let’s do C you start below the stave on a line.

    Next note is an E, still on a line, G, on a line, B, on a line.

    Next up is the C, the octave, on a gap.

    But if you wanna build bigger chords you just keep going on the lines, so no C instead it’s a D, on a line, this is the 9th.

    next up, still on a line is an F, the 11, next finally an A, the 13.

    All chords natural extensions are built like this, either all on a line or only in gaps.

    More on this in the music theory book chapter 12

  • Profile picture of stan stan said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    i guess it’s little things about the stave that are so mysterious which seem to be assumptions that aren’t really taught or diagrammed that i’ve ever seen, like,
    there are 5 lines and 4 spaces yet an octave is 7 notes as we’ve learned,
    so what does have to do with anything, dunno!

    on the guitar we seem to have more notes that are unison notes vs notes that are octaves, yet the stave doesn’t bother to distinguish unison notes from octave notes, oh yes we have the 8va/b, but for that to work for me
    i’d have to know where the actual octaves notes are vs the unison notes which is another mystery on the guitar neck not talked about much!

    i think it’s for these and many other little reasons that many folks just give up on theory and learning to read the stave for guitar and just get by with the basics like me!

  • Profile picture of nal nal said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    About the 5 lines and spaces, gu alluded to it on the blog I think.

    Here’s where history comes in :) .

    Back in the 10th and 11th centuries a monk started using his hand ( held sideways ) to represent the notes he wanted the singers to execute. Low and behold, looking at your hand, 5 fingers = 5 lines and the gaps between fingers = the spaces.

    At this time in history, the music in the monastery was mostly vocal, and people used limited ranges according to the asthetics and values at the time.

    It is this finger staff, which began to be written down became the basis for the staff used today.

    http://www.longwood.edu/staff/swansoncl/Sightsinging/GUIDO%20AREZZO.htm

    Like our numerical system being based around the number ten ( probably because we have 10 fingers ), the staff started in the same place.

    Later they added lines to the staff as people started singing in greater ranges and instruments were used.

    But 15 lines was hard to read so someone decided to rub the middle one out to make it ‘easier’ to read.

    For this kind of context helps. I hope it helps you too!
    :)

    P.s. I think this monk in the end used his hand for more than 11 notes, more like 20. Check him out on the Internet.

  • Profile picture of stan stan said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    thank your nyree for the history lesson/link very interesting indeed,
    you say 15 lines, so is that number of lines we have today as well?
    this is really what i’m trying to discern, how many lines/spaces we have in total
    and what are their names/note designations?

  • Profile picture of nal nal said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    I heard 15 lines was the number at one point, but it is certai ly more now.

    In short, the range of the instruments expanded, so the staff had to expand with it.

    One way to look at the staff is like this (keeping in mind the history)

    The first ledger line below the treble clef is the same note the first ledger line above the bass clef. Think of this as where the staff once met but with the middle line ‘rubbed out’ and replaced by a ledger line.

    This is called middle C and is the middle note on the piano. If you write this out, you can see that the notes are just a continuation in each direction.

    Although the staff came before the piano, I have a sneaking suspicion that the use of clefs particularly treb and bass came from splitting the piano down the middle.

    Because some instruments are capable of lower notes than the bass clef, u use the appropriate number ledge lines below. Same for the treble clef. The top notes on the piano for example extend higher than the clef and you need to use ledger lines.

    Instruments evolved and started to use different ranges, so other clefs came to be in use, only to make it easier for those Musicans to read on their instrument. Their are treble, alto, soprano, tennot and other clefs! Remember that in the beginning, we were talking about the range of the human voice, because music performed in the church was choir based.

    If a wiz bang new instrument came along, exceeding previusly known ranges, the ledger lines would have to be extended, or someone might create a new clef.

    But we are to an extent limited by the natural hearing range and what is common/useful for the purpose of music making.

  • Profile picture of nal nal said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    I’ll post a graphic in a few days or a week if I can with the staff, ledger lines, notes and maybe a few examples of clefs and instruct ranges.

    Ciao :)

  • Profile picture of stan stan said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    great information, don’t rush :>) as i’ll need a lifetime to digest what you just wrote :>) “>)

    i can see that this is a very extensive topic so i suggest just keeping it to the guitar and how it applies to the guitar, no need to study and learn how the stave works for other instruments when i don’t know how it works for guitar yet ! !

  • Profile picture of Guru Guru said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    Great description here Nal, the piano and the middle C is bang on!

    What I feel is the most important point here is that when the monks used their hand it was all just interval based, no pitch was set, the clefs are just that, to set various pitches for different instruments.

    The intervals, how to build arpeggios etc never change.

  • Profile picture of nal nal said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    Yes, totally agree.

    No I won’t complicate it for you any further.

    But I made this graphic for you.

    guitar-to-piano-to-staff.pdf
  • Profile picture of Guru Guru said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    This is great Nal, I’m gonna blog this chart, thanks for doing it!

  • Profile picture of Stevo Stevo said 3 months, 1 week ago ago:

    Ditto on nice!